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Post by flamesgm on Oct 19, 2010 0:41:08 GMT -7
maybe put the contracts to what the actually have making things little harder in keeping ur own talent What you mean in practice with this?
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Post by anaheim on Oct 19, 2010 0:47:26 GMT -7
Reallife is reallife and EHM league is different.
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Post by flamesgm on Oct 19, 2010 1:00:17 GMT -7
Reallife is reallife and EHM league is different. Yes, I agree, but it's somehow weird that we have some real life contracts in league as those are many times bigger than ones made in EHM.
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Post by DevilsGM/OilersGM on Oct 19, 2010 1:27:34 GMT -7
yea but most of these signed contracts were before the nhl guys signed ones there aint much u can do about it
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Post by flamesgm on Oct 19, 2010 3:41:11 GMT -7
My point is that it's not very fair that one can have two top 10 forwards for 1,5M$ each and e.g. I have to pay for Iginla 7,0M$. In real life that won't never happen and also if we allow that for someone, we need to allow it to everyone. So my proposal is that we somehow reset the big real life contracts. Or then create new rules and reset everyone's contract.
I don't think it's "good salary planning" if you order minimal salary and huge SB as it's kind of bug in EHM...
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Post by penguinsgm on Oct 19, 2010 4:21:49 GMT -7
Well, had Toews and Kane made what they were making in the NHL i would not have traded for them in the first place. The reason i did was because of the salary. I would have happily kept Tangradi and Nash.
It is a part of EHM to negotiate the contracts like that. Every league that tries to force EHM to be the NHL folds because it creates a crap-load of rules and regs and everyone quits because its too time consuming to deal with.
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Post by flamesgm on Oct 19, 2010 5:14:06 GMT -7
Ok, but somehow I don't feel it's fair to pay those big salaries as "normal" salaries in EHM are much lower... Maybe the best idea would be to make those huge real life deal ending this off-season and after that it's up to GM how much he is going to pay... That way teams with real life huge deals would have some possibilities to create a team with possiblity to success...
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Post by Jesse (Avs) on Oct 19, 2010 10:12:04 GMT -7
The whole issue though is that everybody has players like that on their team. Crosby has 3 more years at 8.7Mil Malkin has 4 years at 8.7Mil Marc Savard has 7Mil over 4 years Paul Stastny has 6.6 over 5 years
Some guys you could argue deserve it, some don't. But every team has one or two of these, so in essence, every team is still even, just other GM's have had time to fix that issue and work within our loose rules to get great guys they can get cheaply. Kane and Toews (as far as I remember) were in the final year of their entry level contracts, and in EHM, usually a player coming off an entry level doesn't ask for too much money. Is it a flaw, yes, but (and especially if you're expecting real-life scenarios) if someone signs a contract for a certain amount of money, its legally binding, so in real life, would Pittsburgh tell Kane and Toews "yeah, sure we'll kill the old contract and pay you 5 million more each", probably not.
So the only fair thing to do, like I said, is to change the rules going forward, not to alter the entire league. Otherwise we might as well start from scratch again, and from a guy who's got a non-playoff team, I wouldn't even want to do that.
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Post by LongIsland on Oct 19, 2010 10:58:25 GMT -7
Could possibly let each team request a contract evaluation for one or two players. Only players on original NHL contracts not players that have been signed in ehm. I don't really have anyone who would fall into that category so I'm not saying it for my benefit.
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Post by Jesse (Avs) on Oct 19, 2010 11:21:06 GMT -7
Just for argument's sake, let's look at Iginla at 7 Mil.
He got 62 points in 60 games. Only 11 of the league's top scorers had a point per game or higher. Some include: Crosby(8.7Mil), Malkin(8.7Mil), Spezza (7 Mil), Gaborik (7.5 Mil), Nash (7.8Mil), Ovechkin (9.5 Mil)
Young players playing off post-entry level contracts: Brassard (3.2Mil), Okposo (4Mil),
Then, regular players with contracts under 6 Mil: Pominville (5.3Mil), Kostitsyn (2.5 Mil), Fisher (4.2)
After mainly looking at players who played near 82 games, top scorers in the league, and even just looking around the league at other high paid players with lower production, even if we had an Agent system in the league, would you award any more than MAYBE 500,000 less on Iginla's contract? He was the 3rd top scorer on the Flames with 20 less games played
And after looking at all that, would we not say that for the most part, everyone in the league already has an equal playing field? Brassard and Okposo are getting paid decent money for being the league's top scorers, but are young and at a deal price. Yes, Kane and Toews are exceptionally cheap, but when everyone has the opportunity to get good players (Especialy for weak teams who get high draft spots. After picking Taylor Hall 1st overall last season, and after one season of development I can play him on my top line.) why would we need to change anything except the signing bonus issue, if that? Because if everyone is aware of it and nobody wants to change it, nobody is getting an advantage here.
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Post by LongIsland on Oct 19, 2010 11:33:55 GMT -7
In terms of contracts I think the league is fine. It's signings that will be an issue but with the Franchise Player status that will alleviate most of the issues. Even still look at the real NHL, for example Chicago, once players reach a certain level and it's time for a new contract a team has to decide who to keep and who's expendable. Maybe once the franchise player status comes into play we lower the cap to 55.
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Post by anaheim on Oct 19, 2010 11:33:59 GMT -7
ANAHEIM: Perry 5.325M - 104pts Getzlaf 5.325M - 96pts Niedermayer 7.5M - 61pts
Yeah Semin, Grachev and specially Ryan made good points with low salaries, but also
Lupul 4.25M - 21pts
Many of my contracts are exipiring in 1-2 seasons and will have serious problems to keep all. I cant beleive that all top teams can secure years they topguns without keeping young core which is less expensive.
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Post by LongIsland on Oct 19, 2010 11:36:37 GMT -7
Most my guys are signed for 4-6 year contracts.
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Post by LongIsland on Oct 19, 2010 11:37:47 GMT -7
Although I have a few cuts coming once the playoffs are over.
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Post by Jesse (Avs) on Oct 19, 2010 11:41:34 GMT -7
What exactly is the franchise player status going to do? I was gone for a bit, probably missed the discussion.
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