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Post by DevilsGM/OilersGM on Apr 11, 2012 2:30:00 GMT -7
well it is getting harder and harder to get ppl to join ive tried and tried on fhockey and nothing comes out of it
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Post by LongIsland on Apr 11, 2012 4:22:56 GMT -7
I think we just need to push through this... leagues die all the time and eventually people will stop going for new leagues and start looking at the ones with the most longevity.
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Post by columbusgm on Apr 12, 2012 9:14:09 GMT -7
I think we just need to push through this... leagues die all the time and eventually people will stop going for new leagues and start looking at the ones with the most longevity. I don't really think that is true. Leagues die, yes, but people will just form new ones. If they look for one with longevity they will also want one which has activity...and we don't. We have/had a few GMs who are active and a few who are present but not particularly noticeable. Personally, I've been on the verge of leaving for a while. I love my team, but I don't think things make sense. In the last file I downloaded, there were only 2 players on my team with less than 80 offense or defense. If you look at the lines page, you can see the team average (for me, 81/86/82). The lowest in the league, for overall, is 79. I haven't sent in lines since late February, and yet my team is 6th for winning percentage. I'm not perfect for prospects, but my team's average age is just 25. So let's say a new GM comes along, takes over a weaker team. They see that I have some good players, maybe try to trade for one or two. Why would I bother? I have depth, and I have star power. They could offer me a draft pick, but I don't need that, my players are still young. They could try to get my draft pick, but what can they offer me? I have two players over 30. One of them is my backup goalie, the other is my 6th defenseman. I can easily find a replacement for either. I don't know about the rest of you, but I have been playing EHM since at least 2001. I remember when Risto Remes still did updates. When you download the game, and you get the default roster set, you will notice something. Most teams have players in the 60s, and very few in the 80s. That's how the game is supposed to be. That's how it was designed. You'd be hard pressed to find any team in our league (or most EHM leagues, to be fair) that had even one player in the 60s. And if they do? They're either tanking or it's a prospect they want to develop. Frankly, we are trying to play this game in a way it was not meant to be played. There is WAY too much talent in our league. That original roster, here's the top 5 players, the only 5 players rated with an overall of A- Jagr: 98-57-86 Lemieux: 98-62-86 Hasek: 84-86-87 Sakic: 93-72-86 Roy: 88-87-86 No other player was above 85 overall. Milan Hejduk, Alex Tanguay, and Chris Drury (who played 10 less games than the other two) had 79, 77 and 65pts the year before this file. Their offense in the file? 81, 75, 74. We have 17 with A- and 2 with A. Adam Larsson is, apparently, better than Jagr, Lemieux, Sakic, Hasek or Roy. Ryan Murray and Dylan McIlrath are better than Peter Forsberg. I know I'm rambling, but the point is...this league is kind of fucked. -shrug-
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Post by penguinsgm on Apr 12, 2012 9:33:28 GMT -7
I think we just need to push through this... leagues die all the time and eventually people will stop going for new leagues and start looking at the ones with the most longevity. I don't really think that is true. Leagues die, yes, but people will just form new ones. If they look for one with longevity they will also want one which has activity...and we don't. We have/had a few GMs who are active and a few who are present but not particularly noticeable. Personally, I've been on the verge of leaving for a while. I love my team, but I don't think things make sense. In the last file I downloaded, there were only 2 players on my team with less than 80 offense or defense. If you look at the lines page, you can see the team average (for me, 81/86/82). The lowest in the league, for overall, is 79. I haven't sent in lines since late February, and yet my team is 6th for winning percentage. I'm not perfect for prospects, but my team's average age is just 25. So let's say a new GM comes along, takes over a weaker team. They see that I have some good players, maybe try to trade for one or two. Why would I bother? I have depth, and I have star power. They could offer me a draft pick, but I don't need that, my players are still young. They could try to get my draft pick, but what can they offer me? I have two players over 30. One of them is my backup goalie, the other is my 6th defenseman. I can easily find a replacement for either. I don't know about the rest of you, but I have been playing EHM since at least 2001. I remember when Risto Remes still did updates. When you download the game, and you get the default roster set, you will notice something. Most teams have players in the 60s, and very few in the 80s. That's how the game is supposed to be. That's how it was designed. You'd be hard pressed to find any team in our league (or most EHM leagues, to be fair) that had even one player in the 60s. And if they do? They're either tanking or it's a prospect they want to develop. Frankly, we are trying to play this game in a way it was not meant to be played. There is WAY too much talent in our league. That original roster, here's the top 5 players, the only 5 players rated with an overall of A- Jagr: 98-57-86 Lemieux: 98-62-86 Hasek: 84-86-87 Sakic: 93-72-86 Roy: 88-87-86 No other player was above 85 overall. Milan Hejduk, Alex Tanguay, and Chris Drury (who played 10 less games than the other two) had 79, 77 and 65pts the year before this file. Their offense in the file? 81, 75, 74. We have 17 with A- and 2 with A. Adam Larsson is, apparently, better than Jagr, Lemieux, Sakic, Hasek or Roy. Ryan Murray and Dylan McIlrath are better than Peter Forsberg. I know I'm rambling, but the point is...this league is kind of fucked. -shrug- I tend to agree with you. I have been playing EHM for a long time as well and you see this cycle. Eventually the talent in the league out grows the ability to control how the league operates. You have a few built teams that no one can compete with. If i was a new GM looking to join a league i likely would not join this one because the top tier talented teams are so far beyond many of the open ones. I may join initially but then realize how hard it would be to compete and lose interest (kind of getting that vibe with the Boston GM). My team for example. I moved Tavares after i won the cup yet i still field an incredibly strong team. I re-signed all of my young core players and still could add roughly 10 million in salary. My farm team is loaded with young players developing to step in. I have a strong prospect pool and 3 first round picks next year. Other then maybe adding a vet for cheap at the deadline i have no reason to make any trades which is why i'm moving my con boosters for something to do. The more i think about it the more i believe a reboot of the RHL is a good idea. It will level the playing field for the most part. We may start with more initial talent but that doesn't matter if you have a good gm/smart drafter.
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Post by LongIsland on Apr 12, 2012 12:46:27 GMT -7
If we can restart and keep our core GM's then I'm for it... but it would blow if they lose interest soon after a restart because their team just isn't the one they made anymore...
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Post by penguinsgm on Apr 12, 2012 13:03:11 GMT -7
Ultimately its up to the commish but my recommendation is to hold a vote to restart. Give the current GMs the options to
1) Keep their current team 2) Change to an open team (if they don't want their current team)
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Post by columbusgm on Apr 12, 2012 13:30:41 GMT -7
If we can restart and keep our core GM's then I'm for it... but it would blow if they lose interest soon after a restart because their team just isn't the one they made anymore... Sometimes the restart can make things more fun. Let's say we did things like an expansion draft. Teams get to pick ~10 players to protect, everyone else is available. Pick a random draft order, so no one feels like they're getting screwed simply because they're near the top, and then go for it. Not too many rounds, maybe 5 or 6? We could even speed things up and have people pick 2 players each round (with such a big pool of options it wouldn't change too much). If a person misses their pick, 2 players from their own team could just be added to the protected list. no time to work this out, gotta go, but it's a thought
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Post by LongIsland on Apr 12, 2012 15:39:27 GMT -7
Naw... If we have a restart it would probably have to be a true restart. New gm's want untouched teams.
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Post by DevilsGM/OilersGM on Apr 12, 2012 18:14:57 GMT -7
Ultimately its up to the commish but my recommendation is to hold a vote to restart. Give the current GMs the options to 1) Keep their current team 2) Change to an open team (if they don't want their current team) you would keep your own unless ones that are open are fair or the gm gives his up for another team. ive been debating all night yesterday to poll it rebuild the league or restart it i already have a new file just updating with prospects signings and stuff
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Post by phillygm on Apr 12, 2012 20:12:47 GMT -7
Flyers here
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Post by flamesgm on Apr 12, 2012 23:12:59 GMT -7
Let's say we did things like an expansion draft. Teams get to pick ~10 players to protect, everyone else is available. Pick a random draft order, so no one feels like they're getting screwed simply because they're near the top, and then go for it. Not too many rounds, maybe 5 or 6? We could even speed things up and have people pick 2 players each round (with such a big pool of options it wouldn't change too much). Somehow I liked this idea! my preferred choose would be to continue with current league, but if people want restart then I would vote this idea, this way the work I have done with my team won't totally go away. One thing what columbus said earlier that our league has too good players compaired how EHM was planned. I wonder if we could low skill values for all players?
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Post by DevilsGM/OilersGM on Apr 12, 2012 23:40:33 GMT -7
expansion could work i just wont have the time to run one of those im pretty busy with the sims and everything else i do i just dont have the time to do one of those
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Post by columbusgm on Apr 13, 2012 5:45:38 GMT -7
expansion could work i just wont have the time to run one of those im pretty busy with the sims and everything else i do i just dont have the time to do one of those If we planned it for next season, it can be started as early as the trade deadline - which means it can be drawn out a bunch, gives everyone plenty of time to prepare, etc. The only problem is picking players for teams that don't have a GM. Not really sure how to do that, and those teams are exactly why we should be doing this...
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Post by DevilsGM/OilersGM on Apr 13, 2012 6:24:10 GMT -7
with spring/summer on the way i dunno who wants to do all the planning
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Post by Jesse (Avs) on Apr 15, 2012 14:08:15 GMT -7
I'd be alright with a restart... I agree that there is just way too much high end players. I'd make trades, but I don't see any benefit with the cost, age, talent level of my guys. There's nobody else I'd want in return kinda thing.
I don't see a problem with the GMs we've had since the beginning leaving.. if we've all stuck around this long, I don't see why any of us would leave now.
A new look, a fresh start I think would be good for us. Would make managing more fun, and I think we can all be proud of the 9 seasons we've done and move on.
Should be a straight restart though... if we do all that other stuff it might get confusing and become more work than it needs to. I can help set up a new forum and banner and all that stuff if yeh need it.
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